Comments on: I HATE MEN (allegedly)

By: Ivor Catt

Ivor Catt — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 16:44:44 +0000

Nick Langford said; “ordinary fathers desperately trying to make sense of what has happened to them”. Old stagers like me find each generation of excluded fathers busily rediscovering the wheel. I am glad he recommends Amneus and Baskerville. I suggest that the higher quality of analysis in the USA is nearly all due to Baskerville.
The trouble is, the “ordinary fathers” don’t do enough reading to learn what we have already found out. Further, there is a real need for all fathers to read literature by radical feminists, which massively influences the courts and our other institutions.
Baskerville seems to be making inroads into the media in the USA. In England, excluded fathers are more or less totally shut out of the media. – Ivor Catt

By: familoo

familoo — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 13:46:21 +0000

The debate certainly doesn’t lack vigour, but I suspect you meant to say it lacks rigour.

By: Nick Langford

Nick Langford — Tue, 11 Mar 2008 12:55:40 +0000

Perhaps there is a wider issue here that the whole debate, on both sides it must be said, lacks much intellectual vigour. Whereas in the US there are academics such as Daniel Amneus or Stephen Baskerville (whose recent book I wholeheartedly recommend) writing intelligently about the issue, in Britain the debate is dominated by ordinary fathers desperately trying to make sense of what has happened to them, and often getting things very wrong. The argument from the lawyers – which is usually to deny that there is a problem – is similarly inadequate. David Mortimer is undoubtedly an exception to this rule as is the remarkable Ivor Catt, who I believe is currently gravely ill.

What we believe about conspiracies (this government couldn’t run a conspiracy if it wanted to), the malign influence of feminism, or the role of judges in changing the law in a way which benefits lawyers, needs to be debated. So does the question of to what extent the state should intrude into the family, and to what extent it should replace the traditional role of fathers.

(And for the record F4J does not make a profit, far from it)

By: familoo

familoo — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:50:36 +0000

whilst i’m not going to get into a comparison of the various fathers / mens groups, who funds them and which is more valid, I have included this comment so readers can go and see for themselves.

By: David Mortimer

David Mortimer — Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:40:36 +0000

F4J is run for profit not to seriously challenge or change the family justice system.

FNF is funded by the DfES which is the same Government department which is responsible for how the family courts operate.

If you want to know what happened to the only real family law reform project we have seen in the UK over the last 30 years click here:

http://www.mensaid.com/flr.htm

By: dnxx1

dnxx1 — Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:42:13 +0000

Nevermind the fact that I’ve never heard anyone suggest biased courts are a conspiracy, but don’t you think it could be due to discrimination?

By: familoo

familoo — Fri, 28 Dec 2007 17:37:51 +0000

the term ‘conspiracy’ suggests a conscious and deliberate effort by individuals to bring about a particular state of affairs. Discrimination is usually more complex and subtle than that, and often not conscious at all. The glass ceiling remains in some areas precisely because of its invisibility – it requires a proactive approach to break through it but probably only complacency / latency in order to remain in existence. And in my experience there are many women as well as men who are complacent about achieving real equality. People find it hard to see the bigger picture when things are going ok for them as an individual – we’re all guilty of that.

Sure there are some men out there who take deliberate steps to block the advancement of women, but I’d say they are in the minority, and largely its a failure to understand difference or to have insight into the gendered way we see the world that creates or perpetuates inequality.

And of course in some industries its as hard for men to progress along with the women as it is for women to progress in the traditionally male dominated niches.

By: dnxx1

dnxx1 — Wed, 26 Dec 2007 19:17:52 +0000

”by way of example uk mens aid suggests here that the reason why the vast majority of divorces are granted to women (about 80%) is a grand conspiracy by the courts (not sanctioned by Parliament I might add – tskk)”
[b]Feminists say the glass ceiling is a conspiracy by men. What are your thoughts on this?[/b]

By: familoo

familoo — Wed, 28 Nov 2007 09:04:57 +0000

Thanks for your post David,

You are right that not all areas of life are dominated by men – the field in which I work (family law) is heavily populated by women (although the legal profession / the bar as a whole remains male dominated at the top, with broad equality of numbers at entry level). And you are right that there are some crazy power hungry ladees out there. Both genders have the capacity for that characteristic. Perhaps in the world of the US librarian the old boys network doesn’t exist but it sure as hell does in my world.

I don’t have your video link but I’m not sure what speed dating has to do with anything on this post. Maybe its fun, maybe its nuts – never done it. Never likely to.

I’m not sure why you say I am defensive or why you suggest that there may be a personality conflict – I have not posted about individual men, merely about material on men’s rights websites. All of us are individuals and what happens on a societal level does not make me prejudge individual men OR women. Women can be sexist and men can be feminist. I would defend criticism of the hate filled material that I have referred to in this post which supports rigid and gendered roles for men and women that I do not subscribe to, and which in my view demeans both men and women.

By: David

David — Tue, 27 Nov 2007 20:50:32 +0000

Not all areas of life are dominated by men. I am a librarian and here in the states (U.S) nearly 80% of its professionals are women. Women can be just as easily power abusive as men. I find that when people are discussing the old boys club I am puzzled. This was certainly true of my father’s generation, but things have changed.

The video on the link above seems to be more about how crazy “speed dating” is. Please don’t pass yourself off as liking men when you clearly are extremely defensive. Sometimes is just a personality conflict and not US VS THEM.