Comments on: blustery days http://pinktape.co.uk/cases/blustery-days/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=blustery-days a blog from the family bar Mon, 21 May 2012 21:06:39 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: Further Responses to LSC Briefings « Pink Tape http://pinktape.co.uk/cases/blustery-days/#comment-229 Further Responses to LSC Briefings « Pink Tape Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:37:22 +0000 http://legalfamily.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-229 [...] 2, 2008 by familoo Further to previous posts, the Association of Lawyers for Children have also responded to the private briefings given to the [...] [...] 2, 2008 by familoo Further to previous posts, the Association of Lawyers for Children have also responded to the private briefings given to the [...]

]]> By: Nearly Legal http://pinktape.co.uk/cases/blustery-days/#comment-228 Nearly Legal Wed, 28 May 2008 21:52:38 +0000 http://legalfamily.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-228 The trouble with the LSC is that all three options: cynical manipulation; incompetence; and downright dissimulation, are all equally possible. One never knows quite what one is fighting. Legitimacy of targeted reform was certainly off the agenda quite some time ago. The trouble with the LSC is that all three options: cynical manipulation; incompetence; and downright dissimulation, are all equally possible. One never knows quite what one is fighting. Legitimacy of targeted reform was certainly off the agenda quite some time ago.

]]> By: familoo http://pinktape.co.uk/cases/blustery-days/#comment-227 familoo Tue, 27 May 2008 17:05:03 +0000 http://legalfamily.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-227 you may be right...or they could even be incompetently disingenuous...? whichever is true it raises concerns about the legitimacy of the way they target reform for the reduction of the legal aid bill. you may be right…or they could even be incompetently disingenuous…? whichever is true it raises concerns about the legitimacy of the way they target reform for the reduction of the legal aid bill.

]]> By: Usefully Employed http://pinktape.co.uk/cases/blustery-days/#comment-226 Usefully Employed Tue, 27 May 2008 16:02:15 +0000 http://legalfamily.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-226 There's been much talk among family barristers in my chambers of mean versus median on this subject. We're all accusing the LSC of being disingenuous, which of course they can be, but could they simply be incompetent? I wouldn't have put it past them to simply have obtained a mean, thought "Wow, look what the average barrister earns" and never have even bothered to consider the statistical shortcomings of their analysis. Quite what result that has for the legitimacy of the way they target reform for reduction of the legal aid bill ... There’s been much talk among family barristers in my chambers of mean versus median on this subject. We’re all accusing the LSC of being disingenuous, which of course they can be, but could they simply be incompetent? I wouldn’t have put it past them to simply have obtained a mean, thought “Wow, look what the average barrister earns” and never have even bothered to consider the statistical shortcomings of their analysis. Quite what result that has for the legitimacy of the way they target reform for reduction of the legal aid bill …

]]> By: familoo http://pinktape.co.uk/cases/blustery-days/#comment-225 familoo Mon, 26 May 2008 18:28:02 +0000 http://legalfamily.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-225 You're right - the mean average is likely to be far higher than the median / mode and not representative of the reality for most of us. Clearly the mean is more helpful to those who wish to justify pay cuts, but of course the LSC hold the stats and the mathematical workings remain a mystery. It makes the assertions floating about in the media both difficult to challenge and difficult to believe in equal measure. it does not make for a trusting relationship. You’re right – the mean average is likely to be far higher than the median / mode and not representative of the reality for most of us. Clearly the mean is more helpful to those who wish to justify pay cuts, but of course the LSC hold the stats and the mathematical workings remain a mystery. It makes the assertions floating about in the media both difficult to challenge and difficult to believe in equal measure. it does not make for a trusting relationship.

]]> By: Nearly Legal http://pinktape.co.uk/cases/blustery-days/#comment-224 Nearly Legal Mon, 26 May 2008 15:58:48 +0000 http://legalfamily.wordpress.com/?p=117#comment-224 Mistrustful though I am of any statistics issued by the LSC, particularly when they have a cost cutting purpose in mind, might there not be a mean/median issue here? There are a few very high earners that would pull the average up on a mean average. But a median average would be much lower (and more accurate). If you wanted to skew the figures upwards, just choose the mean average. Or they could just be putting out complete misinformation again... Mistrustful though I am of any statistics issued by the LSC, particularly when they have a cost cutting purpose in mind, might there not be a mean/median issue here? There are a few very high earners that would pull the average up on a mean average. But a median average would be much lower (and more accurate). If you wanted to skew the figures upwards, just choose the mean average.

Or they could just be putting out complete misinformation again…

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